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	<title>Comments on: Gender discrimination from insurance companies &#8211; take action</title>
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		<title>By: Soldier</title>
		<link>http://www.montanawomenfor.org/2009/02/11/gender-discrimination-from-insurance-companies-take-action/comment-page-1/#comment-496</link>
		<dc:creator>Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women&#039;s lobbies addressed this problem forty years ago when they took insurance companies to court all over the country, and won.  It was a fair common sense decision, based on expected pay-outs for each group, that has long been settled law in most of the United States.  

Unfortunately women&#039;s lobbies have been interested only in very selective application of the legal principle involved.  They have NOT been interested in applying the same principle to other insurance programs where they would not win an advantage - such as the biggest of all, Social Security and Medicare.  

Male workers have been waiting in vain for forty years to achieve some level of equitable contribution in their monthly government insurance premium payments.  For Social Security the premium subsidy received by women workers from men workers has been around 45%; for Medicare it&#039;s been around 75%.  (This is how much women&#039;s premiums would have to be increased, or men premiums decreased, in order to achieve some measure of equitable participation in these programs based on expected pay-out amounts.)  Worse, women&#039;s lobbies have steadfastly refused to allow these huge subsidies (plus other big financial benefits) to be included with &quot;pay&quot; when claiming that “women earn less than men”, while using the exact same percentages they used during the 1960s – a half century ago.  

Women&#039;s self-interested lobbies can do these things because men are just incredibly stupid (and cowardly, too).

And I can say that men are stupid and cowardly, and anything else I wish, because (1) it&#039;s true, and (2) men don&#039;t have any lobbies.  (It&#039;s a &quot;chicken or egg&quot; thing. You figure it out.)

I should point out that the European Union begs to differ, its court having just ruled that premium differences based on gender are discriminatory against males.  But I don’t know anyone who understands European bureaucrats anyway; they’re even dumber than American men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women&#8217;s lobbies addressed this problem forty years ago when they took insurance companies to court all over the country, and won.  It was a fair common sense decision, based on expected pay-outs for each group, that has long been settled law in most of the United States.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately women&#8217;s lobbies have been interested only in very selective application of the legal principle involved.  They have NOT been interested in applying the same principle to other insurance programs where they would not win an advantage &#8211; such as the biggest of all, Social Security and Medicare.  </p>
<p>Male workers have been waiting in vain for forty years to achieve some level of equitable contribution in their monthly government insurance premium payments.  For Social Security the premium subsidy received by women workers from men workers has been around 45%; for Medicare it&#8217;s been around 75%.  (This is how much women&#8217;s premiums would have to be increased, or men premiums decreased, in order to achieve some measure of equitable participation in these programs based on expected pay-out amounts.)  Worse, women&#8217;s lobbies have steadfastly refused to allow these huge subsidies (plus other big financial benefits) to be included with &#8220;pay&#8221; when claiming that “women earn less than men”, while using the exact same percentages they used during the 1960s – a half century ago.  </p>
<p>Women&#8217;s self-interested lobbies can do these things because men are just incredibly stupid (and cowardly, too).</p>
<p>And I can say that men are stupid and cowardly, and anything else I wish, because (1) it&#8217;s true, and (2) men don&#8217;t have any lobbies.  (It&#8217;s a &#8220;chicken or egg&#8221; thing. You figure it out.)</p>
<p>I should point out that the European Union begs to differ, its court having just ruled that premium differences based on gender are discriminatory against males.  But I don’t know anyone who understands European bureaucrats anyway; they’re even dumber than American men.</p>
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		<title>By: Judith</title>
		<link>http://www.montanawomenfor.org/2009/02/11/gender-discrimination-from-insurance-companies-take-action/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Judith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding SB 142--don&#039;t fix it if it ain&#039;t broke.  The present laws and the MT state constitution call for non-discrimination on the basis of gender.  This bill would hurt women and men, but the burden would fall largely upon women.  Please defeat this bill.

Judith Pressmar
Kalispell MT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding SB 142&#8211;don&#8217;t fix it if it ain&#8217;t broke.  The present laws and the MT state constitution call for non-discrimination on the basis of gender.  This bill would hurt women and men, but the burden would fall largely upon women.  Please defeat this bill.</p>
<p>Judith Pressmar<br />
Kalispell MT</p>
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